Originally Posted by Silver Shield (Post 1044350)

I am looking in the Carolina's.

Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1044405)

Same here. Check out the Research Triangle. Great comparative home value. Too many damn hillbillies for my liking but hey you can't have it all. :D

Originally Posted by silver_addiction (Post 1044313)

What is the best community in this country to live where there is relativly warm weather, decent government, clean water, inexpensive living expenses, good neighbors, ease to grow large variety of food, inexpensive land? I know there is no perfect place, but what would be the ideal in your opinion?

Originally Posted by Silveraddiction

Personally I am thinking the big island of Hawaii

Originally Posted by silveraddiction

or somewhere in Tennessee

Originally Posted by silveraddiction

or Oregon

Originally Posted by silveraddiction

or Washington state.

Originally Posted by silveraddiction

I currently live north in Upstate NY, which is a nice place, but I am looking to relocate to a more moderate and inexpensive location. I would really like a place where a lot of people gorw their own food. And warmer weather. I really like the lifestyle and mindset of a lot of people in Portland, Oregon

Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1044427)

TENNESSEE
Not always warm weather...prohibition on alcohol.

Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1044549)

I've been told that, if you enjoyed "Deliverance," you'll love Tennessee. :wink:

Originally Posted by lhs lancers (Post 1044405)

Same here. Check out the Research Triangle. Great comparative home value. Too many damn hillbillies for my liking but hey you can't have it all. :D

Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1044405)

Same here. Check out the Research Triangle. Great comparative home value. Too many damn hillbillies for my liking but hey you can't have it all. :D

Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1044549)

I've been told that, if you enjoyed "Deliverance," you'll love Tennessee. :wink:

Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1045099)

" I've lived or visited a lot of the world, and frankly, overall, it doesn't get much better than right here.

Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1044549)

I've been told that, if you enjoyed "Deliverance," you'll love Tennessee. :wink:

Originally Posted by silver_addiction (Post 1044313)

What is the best community in this country to live where there is relativly warm weather, decent government, clean water, inexpensive living expenses, good neighbors, ease to grow large variety of food, inexpensive land? I know there is no perfect place, but what would be the ideal in your opinion?

Personally I am thinking the big island of Hawaii or somewhere in Tennessee or Oregon or Washington state.

I currently live north in Upstate NY, which is a nice place, but I am looking to relocate to a more moderate and inexpensive location. I would really like a place where a lot of people gorw their own food. And warmer weather. I really like the lifestyle and mindset of a lot of people in Portland, Oregon

Originally Posted by Codger (Post 1045841)

I believe you are referring to the Land of Make-Believe!:D

Originally Posted by Waylon (Post 1045119)

]If you are seriously considering Tennessee ... please realize West Tennessee is another state apart from East Tennessee. We have absolutely nothing in common (not unlike Eastern and Western Washington State). [/SIZE]

Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1044771)

Only prohibition on store bought alcohol! We take or Moonshine very seriously! LOL!!!

A Lot of right minded people in East Tennessee.

Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1045099)

"If I had a brother in jail, and a brother in Georgia, I'd bust the one out of Georgia first" ( From Cold Mountain )

There are some "dry" (no legal alcohol sold ) counties in Tennessee, but none of I know of around here.

Tax structure is to my liking.....no general income tax...property taxes are pretty reasonable ( I have a pretty decent house and 100acres.....my taxes run about 1200/yr )

Climate is pretty decent......we get some cold and snow...record low since I've lived here was -25, but that was VERY unusual, most winters single digits are rare.....summer highs range to 100, but those too are fairly short lived here in East TN. Most of the year, it is quite pleasant....fall leaf change is generally spectacular. I've lived or visited a lot of the world, and frankly, overall, it doesn't get much better than right here.

Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1045664)

I'm on the outskirts of Spokane (within city limits by 1/4 mile). I vote for northeastern Washington.

Taxes: no state income tax, reasonable property tax ($1200 on $150k house), sales tax is relatively high (8%) but Idaho is only a 20 minute drive away (low sales tax, but high income tax.)

Climate: could be better, could be worse. Winter temperatures average 20-30 daytime, 10-20 overnight. Summer temperatures in the 80's to 90's. Good rainfall including periodic summer showers, light snowfall (seldom more than a foot on the ground.) Springs and autumns are glorious.

Agriculture: Vast farmlands surround the city for 100 miles both to the south and west. Abundant corn, wheat, soybeans, vineyards, etc. No citrus fruit, but lots of orchards growing apples, pears, peaches, apricots, plums, cherries, nectarines, and other fruit. Small farming communities as close as 12 miles from downtown Spokane. If you're expecting TSTHTF, it sure won't hurt to be located near food sources. Soil is rich, drainage is very good. Our growing season is shorter than some areas, but can be enhanced via greenhouses.

Water: Extremely abundant. Rivers, streams, year-round creeks, & lakes are everywhere. Pollution fairly low, except near old mining areas.

Air quality: excellent

Real Estate Prices: Very reasonable when compared to the rest of the US. Average 3 bedroom/2 bath with double car garage, 1-2 fireplaces, & full finished basement hovers around $190,000. Smaller older homes can still be purchased for under $100k. The real estate crash has not hit us, although over the winter we did see some sales coming in 2-5% lower than summer sales prices. The spring sale season is on, property is moving, and prices don't seem to have dropped a penny from a year ago. Bare land can still be had for $2-5k per acre.

Trees: abundant. Everything south of us for 100 miles is farmland, everything north is forest. Most towns and cities are surrounded by forest. I'm inside the city limits, yet only 3 miles from what looks like wilderness. Lots of firewood. :D

Wildlife: Astounding. Deer, moose, mule deer, & elk are everywhere (including in your front yard and strolling down your residential street.) Last Fall they had a problem with a moose who took up residence along the riverbank downtown. Last summer I got trapped in what grew to be a half-hour-long 30-car traffic jam on a two lane road because a moose refused to move the hell out of the way or let us pass! Squirrels, rabbits, quail, wild turkeys, ducks, geese, pheasant, racoons, etc. are abundant, as are bear (outside of the city.) Plus, all those rivers and lakes have fish in them. For those looking to live off the land, Washington is a great source of free meat!

Homeschooling: Not only legal, but both supported and encouraged.

Gasoline: Usually below national average. Currently $3.37

Utilities: Much lower than California, but I can't say how they compare to the rest of the nation. Our combined gas and electric bill averages about $70 in the summer, $160 in the winter if we use firewood for heating, $450 if we use the forced-air heating. (guess which one we use) Our combined water/sewer/garbage bill runs about $65 a month (higher in winter, lower in summer).

General Attitudes: definitely libertarian. Generally neighborly, easy-going, and independent. Very friendly -- providing you don't move here from another state and insist that they change to suit your norms. Washingtonians are VERY standoffish (at first) with Californians and New Yorkers simply because folks from those two states tend to be rude, pushy, snobbish, arrogant, and have Type-A personalities. I'm not sure, but I think gun ownership might be a law, since everyone seems to have several. REALLY polite drivers. A substantial portion of the population is what I call the "outlaw fringe". Not that they are criminals, but that the don't want the law interfering in their lives. Lots of loggers, woodsmen, homesteaders, hunters, individualists, country music fans, and Harleys.

Terrorist Act: Almost every community has either passed anti-Terrorist Act legislation, or that legislation is currently pending.


Over all, this isn't a bad place to be if things go south economically.

Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1045664)

I'm on the outskirts of Spokane (within city limits by 1/4 mile). I vote for northeastern Washington.

Taxes: no state income tax, reasonable property tax ($1200 on $150k house), sales tax is relatively high (8%) but Idaho is only a 20 minute drive away (low sales tax, but high income tax.)

Climate: could be better, could be worse. Winter temperatures average 20-30 daytime, 10-20 overnight. Summer temperatures in the 80's to 90's. Good rainfall including periodic summer showers, light snowfall (seldom more than a foot on the ground.) Springs and autumns are glorious.

Agriculture: Vast farmlands surround the city for 100 miles both to the south and west. Abundant corn, wheat, soybeans, vineyards, etc. No citrus fruit, but lots of orchards growing apples, pears, peaches, apricots, plums, cherries, nectarines, and other fruit. Small farming communities as close as 12 miles from downtown Spokane. If you're expecting TSTHTF, it sure won't hurt to be located near food sources. Soil is rich, drainage is very good. Our growing season is shorter than some areas, but can be enhanced via greenhouses.

Water: Extremely abundant. Rivers, streams, year-round creeks, & lakes are everywhere. Pollution fairly low, except near old mining areas.

Air quality: excellent

Real Estate Prices: Very reasonable when compared to the rest of the US. Average 3 bedroom/2 bath with double car garage, 1-2 fireplaces, & full finished basement hovers around $190,000. Smaller older homes can still be purchased for under $100k. The real estate crash has not hit us, although over the winter we did see some sales coming in 2-5% lower than summer sales prices. The spring sale season is on, property is moving, and prices don't seem to have dropped a penny from a year ago. Bare land can still be had for $2-5k per acre.

Trees: abundant. Everything south of us for 100 miles is farmland, everything north is forest. Most towns and cities are surrounded by forest. I'm inside the city limits, yet only 3 miles from what looks like wilderness. Lots of firewood. :D

Wildlife: Astounding. Deer, moose, mule deer, & elk are everywhere (including in your front yard and strolling down your residential street.) Last Fall they had a problem with a moose who took up residence along the riverbank downtown. Last summer I got trapped in what grew to be a half-hour-long 30-car traffic jam on a two lane road because a moose refused to move the hell out of the way or let us pass! Squirrels, rabbits, quail, wild turkeys, ducks, geese, pheasant, racoons, etc. are abundant, as are bear (outside of the city.) Plus, all those rivers and lakes have fish in them. For those looking to live off the land, Washington is a great source of free meat!

Homeschooling: Not only legal, but both supported and encouraged.

Gasoline: Usually below national average. Currently $3.37

Utilities: Much lower than California, but I can't say how they compare to the rest of the nation. Our combined gas and electric bill averages about $70 in the summer, $160 in the winter if we use firewood for heating, $450 if we use the forced-air heating. (guess which one we use) Our combined water/sewer/garbage bill runs about $65 a month (higher in winter, lower in summer).

General Attitudes: definitely libertarian. Generally neighborly, easy-going, and independent. Very friendly -- providing you don't move here from another state and insist that they change to suit your norms. Washingtonians are VERY standoffish (at first) with Californians and New Yorkers simply because folks from those two states tend to be rude, pushy, snobbish, arrogant, and have Type-A personalities. I'm not sure, but I think gun ownership might be a law, since everyone seems to have several. REALLY polite drivers. A substantial portion of the population is what I call the "outlaw fringe". Not that they are criminals, but that the don't want the law interfering in their lives. Lots of loggers, woodsmen, homesteaders, hunters, individualists, country music fans, and Harleys.

Terrorist Act: Almost every community has either passed anti-Terrorist Act legislation, or that legislation is currently pending.


Over all, this isn't a bad place to be if things go south economically.

Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1046160)

I would miss the Keys and the atlantic ocean though :(

Originally Posted by GoldMaster (Post 1046249)

.
Tennessee is a failed state, It is corrupt to the hilt. The good ol�boy system reaches to the state capital and God help you if you cross anyone of them. Cause you will be ruined to the highest level, I was born and raised in east Tennessee for 30 years these last 10 has been in middle Tennessee. The only difference is east Tennessee is poor as church mice, Middle Tennessee is void of any community. The local & state corruption is out of control.
Of course if you are part of the good ol boy system, you can live life fairly free, But step outside of your area and you are in someone else�s good ol�boy system and there you must tread lightly. We don�t have a state income tax as of yet, But they keep holding secret meetings yearly trying to pass one. Just a matter of time till they have a successful meeting, that doesnt get exposed in time.
This state probably not unlike others is a lost cause, They might as well turn over full control to the feds, as the state has no value to a free citizen.

So people if you were expecting the South to raise again and save your sorry Asses, You are living in a dream world. Our founding fathers speeches of freedom, is nothing more than a class room study for deaf children.
.

Originally Posted by GoldMaster (Post 1046249)

.
Tennessee is a failed state, It is corrupt to the hilt. The good ol�boy system reaches to the state capital and God help you if you cross anyone of them. Cause you will be ruined to the highest level, I was born and raised in east Tennessee for 30 years these last 10 has been in middle Tennessee. The only difference is east Tennessee is poor as church mice, Middle Tennessee is void of any community. The local & state corruption is out of control.
Of course if you are part of the good ol boy system, you can live life fairly free, But step outside of your area and you are in someone else�s good ol�boy system and there you must tread lightly. We don�t have a state income tax as of yet, But they keep holding secret meetings yearly trying to pass one. Just a matter of time till they have a successful meeting, that doesnt get exposed in time.
This state probably not unlike others is a lost cause, They might as well turn over full control to the feds, as the state has no value to a free citizen.

So people if you were expecting the South to raise again and save your sorry Asses, You are living in a dream world. Our founding fathers speeches of freedom, is nothing more than a class room study for deaf children.
.

Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1046270)

I considerd tenn. myself. I like the country side(landscape) and all but I have heard MANY people tell the same story you have. My inlaws grandparent had over 100 acres up there and just recently both passed away leaving it to their kids. We all talked about going up there, but I've heard so many horror stories about local and state government corruption that while i would love the scenery and geography I am not going to put on the additional chains of the state while bearing the ones of the Fed.

Originally Posted by GoldMaster (Post 1046249)

.
Tennessee is a failed state, It is corrupt to the hilt. The good ol�boy system reaches to the state capital and God help you if you cross anyone of them. Cause you will be ruined to the highest level, I was born and raised in east Tennessee for 30 years these last 10 has been in middle Tennessee. The only difference is east Tennessee is poor as church mice, Middle Tennessee is void of any community. The local & state corruption is out of control.
Of course if you are part of the good ol boy system, you can live life fairly free, But step outside of your area and you are in someone else�s good ol�boy system and there you must tread lightly. We don�t have a state income tax as of yet, But they keep holding secret meetings yearly trying to pass one. Just a matter of time till they have a successful meeting, that doesnt get exposed in time.
This state probably not unlike others is a lost cause, They might as well turn over full control to the feds, as the state has no value to a free citizen.

So people if you were expecting the South to raise again and save your sorry Asses, You are living in a dream world. Our founding fathers speeches of freedom, is nothing more than a class room study for deaf children.
.

Originally Posted by BuckeyeDad (Post 1044538)

Basically, there are pockets of cheap land to be found throughout the country, you just have to put some effort into finding them. Just be aware, cheap land usually equates to you'd better be mostly self-sufficient, because it will be a long commute to civilization.

Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1044427)

Greenville, SC.

Expensive

Not always warm weather...prohibition on alcohol.

...depending where you go; poor water quality, tough to grow crops, high taxes, not always warm, expesive.

See Oregon.

More inexpensive than upstate New York? Portland isn't bad...but you will definately get what you pay for.

Portland has gotten fairly expensive in the last 10 years.

I would look in the Southeast portion of the US...Carolinas are nice.

Originally Posted by Heimdahl (Post 1046270)

I considered Tenn. myself. We all talked about going up there, but I've heard so many horror stories about local and state government corruption that while i would love the scenery and geography I am not going to put on the additional chains of the state while bearing the ones of the Fed.

Originally Posted by learn2swim (Post 1044416)

Doesn't NC Have a lot of taxes? SC, I'm not sure about..

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1045352)

North Carolina Hillbilly who owns a lot of land reporting in.:D

Just for the record housing and many other building projects have been halted or slowed in the Triangle Area because the infrastructure can not support all the Carpetbaggers who want to come down here and build a 5,000 square foot house on a tiny quarter acre of land.

Maybe we cant have all the land but we can make it damn expensive for you to buy it....:s9:

Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1045376)

Originally Posted by silver_addiction (Post 1044313)

What is the best community in this country to live where there is relativly warm weather, decent government, clean water, inexpensive living expenses, good neighbors, ease to grow large variety of food, inexpensive land? I know there is no perfect place, but what would be the ideal in your opinion?

Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1046897)

KB is building a nice development near Route 70. Biggest house is 3200 square feet. 2900 square footer is 200K. Up here in this general area we're talking 650K and in the neighborhood of 10K for property taxes.

Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1046899)

Kidding but you know that right?

Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1045664)

I'm on the outskirts of Spokane (within city limits by 1/4 mile). I vote for northeastern Washington.

Taxes: no state income tax, reasonable property tax ($1200 on $150k house), sales tax is relatively high (8%) but Idaho is only a 20 minute drive away (low sales tax, but high income tax.)

Climate: could be better, could be worse. Winter temperatures average 20-30 daytime, 10-20 overnight. Summer temperatures in the 80's to 90's. Good rainfall including periodic summer showers, light snowfall (seldom more than a foot on the ground.) Springs and autumns are glorious.

Agriculture: Vast farmlands surround the city for 100 miles both to the south and west. Abundant corn, wheat, soybeans, vineyards, etc. No citrus fruit, but lots of orchards growing apples, pears, peaches, apricots, plums, cherries, nectarines, and other fruit. Small farming communities as close as 12 miles from downtown Spokane. If you're expecting TSTHTF, it sure won't hurt to be located near food sources. Soil is rich, drainage is very good. Our growing season is shorter than some areas, but can be enhanced via greenhouses.

Water: Extremely abundant. Rivers, streams, year-round creeks, & lakes are everywhere. Pollution fairly low, except near old mining areas.

Air quality: excellent

Real Estate Prices: Very reasonable when compared to the rest of the US. Average 3 bedroom/2 bath with double car garage, 1-2 fireplaces, & full finished basement hovers around $190,000. Smaller older homes can still be purchased for under $100k. The real estate crash has not hit us, although over the winter we did see some sales coming in 2-5% lower than summer sales prices. The spring sale season is on, property is moving, and prices don't seem to have dropped a penny from a year ago. Bare land can still be had for $2-5k per acre.

Trees: abundant. Everything south of us for 100 miles is farmland, everything north is forest. Most towns and cities are surrounded by forest. I'm inside the city limits, yet only 3 miles from what looks like wilderness. Lots of firewood. :D

Wildlife: Astounding. Deer, moose, mule deer, & elk are everywhere (including in your front yard and strolling down your residential street.) Last Fall they had a problem with a moose who took up residence along the riverbank downtown. Last summer I got trapped in what grew to be a half-hour-long 30-car traffic jam on a two lane road because a moose refused to move the hell out of the way or let us pass! Squirrels, rabbits, quail, wild turkeys, ducks, geese, pheasant, raccoons, etc. are abundant, as are bear (outside of the city.) Plus, all those rivers and lakes have fish in them. For those looking to live off the land, Washington is a great source of free meat!

Home-schooling: Not only legal, but both supported and encouraged.

Gasoline: Usually below national average. Currently $3.37

Utilities: Much lower than California, but I can't say how they compare to the rest of the nation. Our combined gas and electric bill averages about $70 in the summer, $160 in the winter if we use firewood for heating, $450 if we use the forced-air heating. (guess which one we use) Our combined water/sewer/garbage bill runs about $65 a month (higher in winter, lower in summer).

General Attitudes: definitely libertarian. Generally neighborly, easy-going, and independent. Very friendly -- providing you don't move here from another state and insist that they change to suit your norms. Washingtonians are VERY standoffish (at first) with Californians and New Yorkers simply because folks from those two states tend to be rude, pushy, snobbish, arrogant, and have Type-A personalities. I'm not sure, but I think gun ownership might be a law, since everyone seems to have several. REALLY polite drivers. A substantial portion of the population is what I call the "outlaw fringe". Not that they are criminals, but that the don't want the law interfering in their lives. Lots of loggers, woodsmen, homesteaders, hunters, individualists, country music fans, and Harley's.

Terrorist Act: Almost every community has either passed anti-Terrorist Act legislation, or that legislation is currently pending.


Over all, this isn't a bad place to be if things go south economically.

Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1046664)

Hi J.P., sorry it took so long to get back to you. Had to go to work. Elevation in Spokane varies considerably because of all the hills & mountains. Downtown Spokane is (I believe) about 1700 ft. One mile south of downtown is the South Hill neighborhood, and five miles north of downtown is Five Mile Prairie, both at 2400 ft. (hell of a view). Spokane Valley is 10 miles east, and flat as a pancake at maybe 1800 ft. If you're a skier, Mt. Spokane is only about a 20 minute drive from downtown; elevation 5900. If you're a boater, you have your choice of roughly 30 lakes within a 50 mile radius. Of course, a few of them aren't much more than overgrown ponds, but others are quite large.

One thing you should keep in mind about being within the city limits. When I first moved here 4 years ago, I was warned, "We only have two seasons in Spokane: winter and road construction." They weren't kidding!

Eyeof Liberty: WallaWalla is a good area, and about 5 degrees warmer than Spokane.

Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1047870)

Thanks for the info. Still sounds like a nice area, overall, but I would prefer to be a bit farther out from the city limits than 1/4 mile.

I plan to make it up there eventually...

Originally Posted by coindog (Post 1047666)

NOT true stay out , if the SHTF in A big way you people who move here and screw things up will be the last to get help from local folk . Sissy people move here all the time and they can't take the cold or drive in the snow and they need this and they need that just stay where ever you are and deal with it !!!!

Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1047973)

I'd like to be farther out myself, but I have an 80+ mother living with me, and her needs have to come first. That doesn't keep me from looking though! I found a place about 8 miles from where I am (so about 15 miles from downtown) in the middle of the forest, on the banks of a lively stream, on a winding country road most people couldn't even find. Gorgeous. If you ever make it up this way, PM me and I'll tell you where it is.

Originally Posted by coindog (Post 1048271)

:My problem? Californians would be one of my problems and I do not like hippies ether. I do how ever like Texans and most rednecks, some Californians are ok but most I have met I could do without . Mostly I just don't like the free meat thing nothing is free and if things get bad there will not be any game left at all then me and my dogs will be forced to feed on long pig from cali. LOL just kidding I was born and raised here and have watched it all go to hell because of growth and it will continue as it is the way it is .

Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1044405)

Same here. Check out the Research Triangle. Great comparative home value. Too many damn hillbillies for my liking but hey you can't have it all. :D

Originally Posted by Waylon (Post 1048406)

My biological father (who was a Vietnam Veteran and completely despises the government and most other folks also) looked for a place to move with the lowest density of population. I think he is headed off to South Dakota.

Hard to believe one square mile can support almost 1,200 folks ... but look at New Jersey.



From Wikipedia:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_dakota

Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1048746)

My God, can you even imagine what would happen if TSHTF and you were competing for precious resources with over 1100 people in a 1 square mile area? Anarchy and death.

Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1048754)

In areas of Northern NJ there are a lot of prople per square mile but around these parts there is a ton of room. I can drive ten minutes west or south and be in the total sticks.

Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1046585)

You don't know what you are missing. A City or County Commissioners meeting in a small southern town is the best damn free entertainment you will ever get. I have been escorted out by the law during several of them...lol

Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1048312)

From reading many of Juristic Person's posts, I think he'd make a wonderful neighbor.

Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1048768)

I don't understand. Doesn't that mean that in 10 minutes' time over 1100 people per square mile could be in the total sticks?

Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1044549)

I've been told that, if you enjoyed "Deliverance," you'll love Tennessee. :wink:

Originally Posted by Tariq Aziz (Post 1048851)

It's a pretty good bet that World War III will involve nuclear weapons. Some of them aimed at America. Best place to live? West coast, rural, with no "targets" to the west of you.

Washington = Olympic Peninsula, southwest coast. Oregon = entire coast except too close to Portland. California = north and central coasts, but away from San Fransissyco.

Or you can just do Alaska.

Originally Posted by Tariq Aziz (Post 1048851)

Or you can just do Alaska.

Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 1049136)

Shirley, Most of Northern California, and the parts east of the Sierras, are much more in temperment with their neighbors in Oregon and Nevada, respectively. There are certainly a fair share of hippies, but not the ones who became Yuppies later on. There's an effort every few years to secede from the rest of the state--see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Jefferson --but it never goes anywhere, regrettably. If it did it would be my first choice of states in the Union.

Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 1049180)

The towns below Tahoe along 395 down to the border of Kern County are also great places. I would love to live in Lone Pine--it sure as hell didn't feel like California.. Any state of Jefferson would have to include that area, AFAIC.



Where are you now?